Coleman TV Lantern Radio
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> In our case, we only wind up spending about 60-90 minutes setting up > camp on arrival. If it’s just the two of us (my wife and I), it takes > us about an hour to get the trailer parked, levelled and jacked, roof > cranked up and the bunks deployed. The awning takes about 20 more > minutes. (No screen room, but it’s on my wish list.) If we bring Noel, > our youngest daughter (age 15, pray for us! <g>), it takes less time.
Whatever happened to ‘real’ tent trailers – ie soft tops? Very quick to set up, light to tow, and virtually nothing to break. When I was a lad we had a "Woods" that took about three minutes to set up, and was supplimented by a floorless screen dining room in mosquito country that took maybe 5 minutes more.
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> Actually, it’s been done. They call it an Airstream. > No offense to Airstream lovers, but it ain’t "camping".
How do you feel about tent trailers? — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Fountain Valley, CA ‘97 Voyager towing ‘96 Jayco 8′ Eagle Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve
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> Actually, it’s been done. They call it an Airstream. > No offense to Airstream lovers, but it ain’t "camping". > How do you feel about tent trailers?
I have used them. Always found them to be just a small step above a real tent. And a real )(*%*^ if the pulley system breaks. Bad because you can’t use them, and bad because they are difficult to fix. They are okay when new, but as they age, age, rust, wear, and failure set in. And it all happens in the woods. They are great. They are good shelter. They give privacy. They keep you out of the elements. But they have a down side, and expensive to keep up unless you know how to do your own canvas repairs and own a Consew sewing machine. It is the person’s own call to decide if they want to buy one for the $$$, buy a hard side trailer, or buy tent equipment. AND tent trailers are no good in windy conditions. Oh, they will last. Most of the time. You just can’t sleep because of the noise and bucking. Steve JMNSHO, YMM(and usually does)V
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cried out in his/her/it’s sleep and said… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Actually, it’s been done. They call it an Airstream. > > No offense to Airstream lovers, but it ain’t "camping". > How do you feel about tent trailers? >I have used them. Always found them to be just a small step above a real >tent. And a real )(*%*^ if the pulley system breaks. Bad because you can’t >use them, and bad because they are difficult to fix. They are okay when >new, but as they age, age, rust, wear, and failure set in. And it all >happens in the woods. >They are great. They are good shelter. They give privacy. They keep you >out of the elements. But they have a down side, and expensive to keep up >unless you know how to do your own canvas repairs and own a Consew sewing >machine. It is the person’s own call to decide if they want to buy one for >the $$$, buy a hard side trailer, or buy tent equipment. AND tent trailers >are no good in windy conditions. Oh, they will last. Most of the time. >You just can’t sleep because of the noise and bucking. >Steve JMNSHO, YMM(and usually does)V
As a service technician,I HATE most (but not all) pop-up owners.You would swear some of these people spent $50,000 on something that is,in a nut shell,one step above sleeping on the ground in a tent.If you have a pop-up,with ALL the goodies,including awning and screenroom,the weekend is pretty much over by the time you get everything set-up. Sorry for ranting,I’ve just never had a place where I could vent that. :-) I agree with everything you said about up-keep and costs,etc.For what a person is going to pay for a new pop-up these days,you’re much better off finding a good used lightweight travel trailer.Just my opinion. Steve .
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Actually, it’s been done. They call it an Airstream. > > No offense to Airstream lovers, but it ain’t "camping". > How do you feel about tent trailers? > I have used them. Always found them to be just a small step above a real > tent. And a real )(*%*^ if the pulley system breaks. Bad because you can’t > use them, and bad because they are difficult to fix. They are okay when > new, but as they age, age, rust, wear, and failure set in. And it all > happens in the woods. > They are great. They are good shelter. They give privacy. They keep you > out of the elements. But they have a down side, and expensive to keep up > unless you know how to do your own canvas repairs and own a Consew sewing > machine. It is the person’s own call to decide if they want to buy one for > the $$$, buy a hard side trailer, or buy tent equipment. AND tent trailers > are no good in windy conditions. Oh, they will last. Most of the time. > You just can’t sleep because of the noise and bucking.
Hmmm. We’ve never had a problem with the pulley system, so I guess we’ve been fortunate. Then again, it’s a Jayco so I pretty much expect quality from them. They have a great reputation among everyone I’ve spoken to about their line. We generally camp in more secluded areas — meaning trees around and such like that — so wind isn’t as much of a problem as it is when camping in the desert or at the beach. But we’ve done some camping beachside and the winds weren’t that big of a problem. It’s worked out to be a good entre’ into RVing for us. > Steve JMNSHO, YMM(and usually does)V
I =must= be a geek, because I actually UNDERSTOOD that! 
— — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Fountain Valley, CA ‘97 Voyager towing ‘96 Jayco 8′ Eagle Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve
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@NOSPAMattbi.com says… > As a service technician,I HATE most (but not all) pop-up > owners.You would swear some of these people spent $50,000 on something > that is,in a nut shell,one step above sleeping on the ground in a > tent.If you have a pop-up,with ALL the goodies,including awning and > screenroom,the weekend is pretty much over by the time you get > everything set-up. > Sorry for ranting,I’ve just never had a place where I could > vent that. :-) I agree with everything you said about up-keep and > costs,etc.For what a person is going to pay for a new pop-up these > days,you’re much better off finding a good used lightweight travel > trailer.Just my opinion. > Steve
If that was a rant, it was among the most civilized I’ve seen on Usenet! In our case, we only wind up spending about 60-90 minutes setting up camp on arrival. If it’s just the two of us (my wife and I), it takes us about an hour to get the trailer parked, levelled and jacked, roof cranked up and the bunks deployed. The awning takes about 20 more minutes. (No screen room, but it’s on my wish list.) If we bring Noel, our youngest daughter (age 15, pray for us! <g>), it takes less time. When we used to tent-camp, it took us a LOT longer to get set up, so I consider the tent trailer a bargain in terms of time saved. The less time we spend on making camp, the more time we have to enjoy camping. And for whatever it’s worth, our plans for retirement are to get a motor home or fifth wheel and tour the country. Until then, we’re going to stick with the tent trailer (it works well, and if it ain’t broke why fix it?) or perhaps a hybrid system. — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Fountain Valley, CA ‘97 Voyager minivan towing ‘96 Jayco 8′ Eagle tent trailer Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Then again, look at some of the things designed strictly by > >engineers–i.e., the "hey, look at what we can do!!!" functionality, > >rather than ease of use, ease of repair, reliability, et al. >I had to change a fuel pump on a 1974 Bronco II. It was the underpowered >carbureted engine, that that dog is another story. Back to the fuel pump. >It took me a 1/4" ratchet with two universals, a lot of contortions, and >some new cuss words to get into where the bolts were that held the thing on. >I swore that justice would be to make one of the engineers who designed it >change one of them. ALL that space available, and they have to put it in an >almost inaccessible place. I’ll bet they had some yuks around the water >cooler. >I cut my teeth on ‘55-’57 Chevies. You could take off the fuel pump with >one wrench in about five minutes. The cars were designed to be owner >serviceable. >The problem with some engineers is that they are educated beyond their >capacity.
Never ascribe to malice what can be better explained by lazyness and stupidity.
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>That coleman thing (I actually saw it under the jeep brand name at a sam’s club >warehouse store) is unusually crappy. Thermometer and compass both look like >belong on keychains with combined value of about a penny. >It does have one *hell* of a laugh appeal, with the swing arms for the lights. >The packaging should also show a photo of it’s "weathered" look, with the arms >broken off and the compass and thermometer smashed.
You mean five minutes after opening the package? Most of these multi-function devices are "designed" by marketing people, not engineers. As long as it sells well, doesn’t matter if it works well. Unfortunately, I’m sure many people who go camping will get things like this from well-meaning but unaware friends and relatives. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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> >Then again, look at some of the things designed strictly by >engineers–i.e., the "hey, look at what we can do!!!" functionality, >rather than ease of use, ease of repair, reliability, et al.
I had to change a fuel pump on a 1974 Bronco II. It was the underpowered carbureted engine, that that dog is another story. Back to the fuel pump. It took me a 1/4" ratchet with two universals, a lot of contortions, and some new cuss words to get into where the bolts were that held the thing on. I swore that justice would be to make one of the engineers who designed it change one of them. ALL that space available, and they have to put it in an almost inaccessible place. I’ll bet they had some yuks around the water cooler. I cut my teeth on ‘55-’57 Chevies. You could take off the fuel pump with one wrench in about five minutes. The cars were designed to be owner serviceable. The problem with some engineers is that they are educated beyond their capacity. Steve
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>> Most of these multi-function devices are "designed" by marketing > people, not engineers. As long as it sells well, doesn’t matter if it > works well. >Then again, look at some of the things designed strictly by >engineers–i.e., the "hey, look at what we can do!!!" functionality, >rather than ease of use, ease of repair, reliability, et al.
There is absolutely no indication of any sign that an engineer or even a person who would actually use the stupid thing had any say in it’s specifications. Quite the opposite.
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>>>>That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, >>>coffee machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise. >>If it has a telescope i might be interested… ;-) >like everything on the original coleman tv lantern radio, it is of the >same quality you’d expect from a box of cracker jack. :-p >Other than a few items like the SAK and the Leatherman tool, I can’t >think of many multipurpose things that do everything well.
That coleman thing (I actually saw it under the jeep brand name at a sam’s club warehouse store) is unusually crappy. Thermometer and compass both look like belong on keychains with combined value of about a penny. It does have one *hell* of a laugh appeal, with the swing arms for the lights. The packaging should also show a photo of it’s "weathered" look, with the arms broken off and the compass and thermometer smashed.
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> Most of these multi-function devices are "designed" by marketing > people, not engineers. As long as it sells well, doesn’t matter if it > works well.
Then again, look at some of the things designed strictly by engineers–i.e., the "hey, look at what we can do!!!" functionality, rather than ease of use, ease of repair, reliability, et al. — to email OT responses, change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"
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Trying to pack that many features into a portable, cost effective product, is a sure way to get a gadget filled with unnecessary, cheap gizmos, none of which is good enough to make you want to own any of them individually. Why pay for them now in a ‘Swiss Army knife’ configuration? Soon, rather than later, one or more of those features is going to fail, and if you think repair at a reasonable price is a possibility, forget it. You’re going to be hauling around a lantern with a broken, unusable TV. Save your money. OTOH why bring a TV on a camp trip? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What’s the point of camping if you’re going to bring that junk? > Check out this new item on sale. It’s a Coleman TV Lantern Radio with > weatherband, B&W TV, spotlight, twin independent fluorescent lanterns, > emergency siren, and storage compartment. A really cool item to have with > you camping. You can see it at:
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>>>That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, >>coffee machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise. >If it has a telescope i might be interested… ;-) >like everything on the original coleman tv lantern radio, it is of the >same quality you’d expect from a box of cracker jack. :-p
Other than a few items like the SAK and the Leatherman tool, I can’t think of many multipurpose things that do everything well. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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Actually, it’s been done. They call it an Airstream. No offense to Airstream lovers, but it ain’t "camping". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Put on wheels and a motor, and it could carry itself.
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>That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, >coffee machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise.
If it has a telescope i might be interested… ;-) -Florian Stargazing.com
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>>That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, >coffee machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise. >If it has a telescope i might be interested… ;-)
like everything on the original coleman tv lantern radio, it is of the same quality you’d expect from a box of cracker jack. :-p
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>>>"Camping" and "TV" ? What’s wrong with that picture ? >If there’s no microwave or air conditioning built in, what’s the use >of it. >That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, coffee >machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise. >Bitch to carry around though.
Put on wheels and a motor, and it could carry itself. Or, if you want all the comforts of home, just put pictures of outdoors scenes over all the windows in your house. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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>>"Camping" and "TV" ? What’s wrong with that picture ? >If there’s no microwave or air conditioning built in, what’s the use >of it.
That’s on the next model, as well as a BBQ, computer, catbox, recliner, coffee machine, food processor, multimeter, telescope and vise. Bitch to carry around though.
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>"Camping" and "TV" ? What’s wrong with that picture ?
If there’s no microwave or air conditioning built in, what’s the use of it. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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"Camping" and "TV" ? What’s wrong with that picture ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Check out this new item on sale. It’s a Coleman TV Lantern Radio with > weatherband, B&W TV, spotlight, twin independent fluorescent lanterns, > emergency siren, and storage compartment. A really cool item to have with > you camping. You can see it at: > Yea, an expensive little item that would attract sticky fingers like honey > attracts yellow jackets. > ;-( > Tom J
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> What’s the point of camping if you’re going to bring that junk? > Check out this new item on sale. It’s a Coleman TV Lantern Radio with > weatherband, B&W TV, spotlight, twin independent fluorescent lanterns, > emergency siren, and storage compartment. A really cool item to have with > you camping. You can see it at:
http://netservices.liquidationshops.com/product.html?v=1&catid=24&pid… Taking a combination gizmo like that camping makes about as much sense as posting with an anonymous URL for the purpose of selling goods in a discussion group. You are not serious about what is going on around you and not considerate of anyone. You are just self-centered and self-indulgent to the nth degree. Steve
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> Check out this new item on sale. It’s a Coleman TV Lantern Radio with > weatherband, B&W TV, spotlight, twin independent fluorescent lanterns, > emergency siren, and storage compartment. A really cool item to have with > you camping. You can see it at:
Yea, an expensive little item that would attract sticky fingers like honey attracts yellow jackets. ;-( Tom J
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What’s the point of camping if you’re going to bring that junk?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Check out this new item on sale. It’s a Coleman TV Lantern Radio with > weatherband, B&W TV, spotlight, twin independent fluorescent lanterns, > emergency siren, and storage compartment. A really cool item to have with > you camping. You can see it at: > http://netservices.liquidationshops.com/product.html?v=1&catid=24&pid…
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