Fuel Economy
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Does anybody have any ideas as to why a 2002 Impala with the 3.4L engine achieve the same fuel economy as a 2002 Olds Alero with the 2.2L ecotec engine? The impala obviously has a heavier body and a V6 engine and yet they both achieve the same fuel economy. Why even make a 4 cylinder? Secondly, the 3.8L 2002 Buick Regal consumes almost as much fuel as a 2002 Chevrolet Corvette. In the real world are these figures useless? If you floor the accelerator pedal on these two cars will the real fuel economy based on engine size show the accurate picture.
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> Does anybody have any ideas as to why a 2002 Impala with the 3.4L engine > achieve the same fuel economy as a 2002 Olds Alero with the 2.2L ecotec > engine?
I never had a car with that 2.2, but my former Alero 3.4 did the same MPG as my Stratus 2.4 and Bonneville around town, 23MPG, but on the highway the difference gets noticeable, about 1MPG less from one car to another and then to the other… HTH — Evandro Menezes ICQ:7957253 Austin, TX http://geocities.com/evandro
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What GM does to the Impala to get it good gas mileage is play with gear ratios. Basically the Impala has a high (numerically low) transaxle final drive ratio of something like 2.86, where as the Alero is probably in the 3.42 range. Not exactly sure of the Alero 2.2 axle ratio, but a numerically higher ratio will help the less powerful 4cyl feel more responsive and uses a little more gas. If you stomp on the gas of an Impala it doesn’t feel like 180 hp, and you can rev 1st gear to somewhere near 50 mph. Stomp the gas of a regal and it will throw you back a bit more than the Impala. Good thing about having a 4cyl is you will usually pay less insurance for a 4cyl. Same idea with the Corvette almost, they put it a real steep 6th gear ratio for the 6spd manual that helps it get 28mpg on the highway.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anybody have any ideas as to why a 2002 Impala with the 3.4L engine > achieve the same fuel economy as a 2002 Olds Alero with the 2.2L ecotec > engine? The impala obviously has a heavier body and a V6 engine and yet > they both achieve the same fuel economy. Why even make a 4 cylinder? > Secondly, the 3.8L 2002 Buick Regal consumes almost as much fuel as a 2002 > Chevrolet Corvette. In the real world are these figures useless? If you > floor the accelerator pedal on these two cars will the real fuel economy > based on engine size show the accurate picture.
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I just bought a 96 Explorer 2DR and find the fuel economy the pits. I was told the computer will take time to adjust to my driving style, and it will improve. I have a manual transmission, and am getting 7km/l city and 9km/l hwy on 91 octane gas. Is there any way I can improve this, or am I forever buying more gas? Any info is appriciated. Winston Yeung
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If I did my conversions correctly you’re getting 15.9mpg city, and 20.4mpg hwy. That’s a bit lower than I get on my 92 four door with 5 speed manual. But, depending on your driving style, not out of line. Unless the 96’s are different I’d recommend you stop buying the 91 octane gas and go with the cheapest stuff you can find. Mine actually runs better on 87 octane. Jeff >I just bought a 96 Explorer 2DR and find the fuel economy the pits. I >was told the computer will take time to adjust to my driving style, >and it will improve. I have a manual transmission, and am getting >7km/l city and 9km/l hwy on 91 octane gas. >Is there any way I can improve this, or am I forever buying more gas? >Any info is appriciated. >Winston Yeung
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>If I did my conversions correctly you’re getting 15.9mpg city, and >20.4mpg hwy. That’s a bit lower than I get on my 92 four door with >5 speed manual. But, depending on your driving style, not out of >line. >Unless the 96’s are different I’d recommend you stop buying the >91 octane gas and go with the cheapest stuff you can find. Mine >actually runs better on 87 octane. >Jeff
I don’t know what the conversion is from km/l to mpg, but I’ll tkae your word on it. As for the octane levels.. I thought the higher octane gas would be better for the V6. The manual says 87 octane (regular gas) is fine.. but I thought the 91 would improve response time andbetter engone wear. >I just bought a 96 Explorer 2DR and find the fuel economy the pits. I >was told the computer will take time to adjust to my driving style, >and it will improve. I have a manual transmission, and am getting >7km/l city and 9km/l hwy on 91 octane gas. >Is there any way I can improve this, or am I forever buying more gas? >Any info is appriciated. >Winston Yeung >–
Winston Yeung
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> I just bought a 96 Explorer 2DR and find the fuel economy the pits. I > was told the computer will take time to adjust to my driving style, > and it will improve. I have a manual transmission, and am getting > 7km/l city and 9km/l hwy on 91 octane gas. > Is there any way I can improve this, or am I forever buying more gas? > Any info is appriciated. > Winston Yeung
Winston: Two suggestions. Buy the octane rating recommended in your owners manual. Consider synthetic engine oil. The high per quart cost of synthetic is more than offset by long drain intervals and improved gas mileage. Example: When I used petroleum I changed the oil every two months. Compulsive? Maybe. I switched to Red Line Synthetic. Change the oil once a year and change the filter at 6 months. My gas mileage increase on average 7%. I spend much less time under the car. I generate much less dirty oil to be recycled, I burn less gas, generating less air pollution and I save money. So that makes it a win, win, win, win, win. You can find Red Line Synthetic Corp. on the web at www.redlineoil.com Jeff, Not a Red Line employee, just a very happy customer.
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You can seve some money and not bother with the high octain gas. It doesn’t do anything for yourself. (Someone please tell me if I am wrong?) As for your milage.. it sounds about right. I get about 580-620km per tank and it holds about 63l of gas. mjm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just bought a 96 Explorer 2DR and find the fuel economy the pits. I > was told the computer will take time to adjust to my driving style, > and it will improve. I have a manual transmission, and am getting > 7km/l city and 9km/l hwy on 91 octane gas. > Is there any way I can improve this, or am I forever buying more gas? > Any info is appriciated. > Winston Yeung
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go > traffic….that guy that gets 24mpg is either real lucky or a liar! > Justin >Neither lucky or a liar. I’ve owned a ‘91 XLT (2wd, auto, tow >package, 3.73, etc.) since new and the above statement is right >in the ball park. I get 13-18 mpg in town and 20-25 mpg in the >highway. Also, I consistently get 16-17 mpg towing a medium >size (2000 lb.) tent-trailer (average for 23k miles of towing). >Now, one important point about gas mileage that I seldom see >addressed in this newsgroup is one’s driving habits. Case in >point; when my wife drives our Explorer to work (city only) we >get 13-14 mpg. When I drive it (exact same city route) we get >17-18 mpg. >Driving techniques/habits DO make a difference, probably more >so than differences between model years and options. >Dave
Gas mileages depend on many factors, driving habits, the type of gas, the grade of oil, surface of the road the vehicle is traveling, outside temperature, engine temperature, tire pressure, etc… If you live in the area where the road surfaces are flat, you get more mileage as oppose to driving in hilly road. So many factors are to be considered. I don’t think any two identical cars are the same. QLe.
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I get 13-15 mpg in city driving, 20-26 on the Interstate. Best economy is @ 50-55mph and goes down as the speed increases. Dick
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> I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go > traffic….that guy that gets 24mpg is either real lucky or a liar! > Justin
Neither lucky or a liar. I’ve owned a ‘91 XLT (2wd, auto, tow package, 3.73, etc.) since new and the above statement is right in the ball park. I get 13-18 mpg in town and 20-25 mpg in the highway. Also, I consistently get 16-17 mpg towing a medium size (2000 lb.) tent-trailer (average for 23k miles of towing). Now, one important point about gas mileage that I seldom see addressed in this newsgroup is one’s driving habits. Case in point; when my wife drives our Explorer to work (city only) we get 13-14 mpg. When I drive it (exact same city route) we get 17-18 mpg. Driving techniques/habits DO make a difference, probably more so than differences between model years and options. Dave
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a 92 EB with the 4.0L V6.. > Anyone have a similiar setup? I’m trying to compare fuel economy to see if > i’m getting what I should be getting. What kind of distance should I be > getting on a full tank of fuel? My Explorer holds 73L when plum full. I > havn’t had the explorer long so i’m still trying to figure out what I get > on a tank. > Any help would be appreciated. > Bob >I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go >traffic….that guy that gets 24mpg is either real lucky or a liar! >Justin
Actually, he is telling the truth. I get anywhere between 12-15 in city traffic, depending when I leave school. However, I have gotten 26 on a trip from Jackson, MS to Memphis, TN. I live in Jackson. Jeffrey Jue http://www2.netdoor.com/~guardian
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>I have a 92 EB with the 4.0L V6..
I, too, have a 92EB. My best is about 23 (all interstate). I get an average of 12-15 in town. My worst was 9mpg while carrying 2 passengers, bunches of camping equipment and a canoe on top while driving around some major WV hills. I’d say I get 14mpg on average. Garry P.S. I traded a nissan stanza for this car. My 87 nissan got 23 in town all the time, and up to 33 interstate. I was not prepared for the "pump shock" that I got.
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>I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go >traffic….
I too only get 13mpg in city (100% hilly Seattle) and 16mpg (75mph highway) A tank of gas goes about 200 miles in-city and 300 miles highway. The truck runs great, perfect oil changes and tuneup record….just poor mileage but I am used to it. BTW, I keep my stock tires at 26lbs…..for a soft ride and per the door label instructions. This has something to do with it. Joe
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Have a 92 XLT 4×4 with about 65,000 miles, original tires and everything has been great. On mileage, keeping the open-highway speed below 65, the average is 23.0 to 23.5 mpg. With the raised limits, up to 75 plus in certain areas, the mileage slips to just over 20.2 mpg., still not bad. Very happy with the 92 and hope to get a new one with the model change in ???
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writes: >I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go >traffic….that guy that gets 24mpg is either real lucky or a liar!
I think neither. My 96 XLT 4.0 w/ 3.73 gets (has gotten)exactly the same mileage. On one trip on 2 lane hwy last summer at 50-55 mph I measured 24 mpg. 20-21 is the norm for straight hwy driving at 65 mph. In town alone, I get 14-16. Combination hwy and city, about 17-18. I’ve seen similar posts. No need to exaggerate here. Scott.
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> I have a 92 EB with the 4.0L V6.. > Anyone have a similiar setup? I’m trying to compare fuel economy to see if > i’m getting what I should be getting. What kind of distance should I be > getting on a full tank of fuel? My Explorer holds 73L when plum full. I > havn’t had the explorer long so i’m still trying to figure out what I get > on a tank. > Any help would be appreciated. > Bob
I have a ‘91 XLT and I get 14-15 in 100% in town, stop and go traffic….that guy that gets 24mpg is either real lucky or a liar! Justin
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>I have a 92 EB with the 4.0L V6.. >Anyone have a similiar setup? I’m trying to compare fuel economy to see if >i’m getting what I should be getting. What kind of distance should I be >getting on a full tank of fuel? My Explorer holds 73L when plum full. I >havn’t had the explorer long so i’m still trying to figure out what I get >on a tank. >Any help would be appreciated. >Bob
I can’t relate to that metric number but I consistently get right at 17 mpg in mixed in town driving, some short hops and some longer drives to and from the office. When on the road the best I have gotten was 24 mpg going a steady 55 mph. When driving at normal speeds, 65 mph to 75 mph, I typically get about 20 to 21 mpg. The gas tank is supposed to hold 19.3 (or 19.7) gallons. I have put almost 22 gallons in it when it’s been bone dry and I fill it to the top of the filler neck. Getting the last 2 to 3 gallons in can be hard to do because the pumps out here shut off very easily. Most of the time around town I figure I can get 300 miles on a tank. On a trip I can get about 400 miles.
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I have a 92 EB with the 4.0L V6.. Anyone have a similiar setup? I’m trying to compare fuel economy to see if i’m getting what I should be getting. What kind of distance should I be getting on a full tank of fuel? My Explorer holds 73L when plum full. I havn’t had the explorer long so i’m still trying to figure out what I get on a tank. Any help would be appreciated. Bob
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Johnny, The most common cause I’ve found on low gas mileage is a bad or clogging oxygen sensor. This sensor is located on your exhaust manifold if you have fuel injection (I’m assuming you do since it’s an ‘89). In stores it can cost $50+ but you can get them where I do from J.C. Whitney for about $16. John P.S. – Don’t forget to get the socket for it as well ($12) J.C. Whitney P.P.S. – I don’t work for J.C. Whitney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello everyone, >I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition. >Johnny
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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>I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower [gas] mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any technique anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive recklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition.
Ere I launch upon a long and boring answer to your question, let me say that, at this distance, it is virtually impossible either to diagnose poor gas mileage or to prescribe solutions. First, the data you give in connexion with your own vehicle are entirely consistent with an over-all gas mileage of 26 m.p.g. assuming you do a little more than four times a many miles on the highway as in the city. This might be the only difference between your performance and that of your friends: they might be doing more highway miles. That said, may I say that, in my not inconsiderable experience of these matters, the overwhelming difference between one motorist’s gas mileage and another’s has its origins in the difference between their "driving"? He that suffers poor fuel economy typically fails to read the road far enough ahead, to anticipate the actions of other road users: in short, to allow himself enough margin for the reasonably foreseeable untoward. As a result he makes excessive use of the brakes. The DRIVER, on the other hand, anticipates the need for changes in speed, so that he does not use fuel only to have to sink most of the energy generated therefrom in the asbestos. So, tell us now: how much are you using the brakes? What can we infer from this about your gas mileage? Best regards, Vernon (Substitute the usual punctuation for the uncial German words, if replying by eMail — and don’t to forget to eliminate the SPAM suffix.)
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|I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same |car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get |20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than |other Accords the same year as mine? You may want to check what their mix of city vs. highway driving is. | Is there any techniques anyone can |give me to increase fuel econ? Good maintenance helps. For example, make sure the tire pressure is correct, and do things like oil changes regularly. Also, anticipating stop lights and such helps. For example, if the light ahead just turned red, or there is a long line of cars that is not expected to move before you have to stop for them, taking your foot off the accelerator and coasting until you have to stop uses less fuel (and brake pads) than driving at full speed until you have to slam on the brakes to stop. — Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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Cool site, thanks Stats.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was going back and forth to different manufacturer’s Web sites looking at > fuel economy stats… then I found www.storydata.com, and clicked on the > picture of the Honda Insight. They have a really cool applet that lets you > compare fuel economy in every car tested by the Department of Energy. With > gas prices at an all time high, it really pays to compare, and this web site > makes it real easy. > Cheers, > Brent
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> I was going back and forth to different manufacturer’s Web sites looking at > fuel economy stats… then I found www.storydata.com, and clicked on the > picture of the Honda Insight. They have a really cool applet that lets you > compare fuel economy in every car tested by the Department of Energy.
No, emissions and fuel economy are tested by the Environmental Protection Agency. > With > gas prices at an all time high, it really pays to compare, and this web site > makes it real easy.
And the EPA has a comparison page at their Web site. Try www.epa.gov. — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>>administration cares about fuel economy. >>>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>>the administration runs. >>>> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >>Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? >A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t >possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Ron >Well, do you have a rebuttal? Or just bluster?
No rebuttal possible yet. No case has been made to rebut. I was just asking for the basis for the sweeping accusation. If any is given, I may or may not submit a rebuttal depending on whether the explanation appears to factual or, as it appears, merely an attempt to paint all politicians with the same mean-spirited brush. So far, it looks like nothing more than the tired old logical fallacy, "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." And that’s the "bluster" here. Ron (to reply, change the "dot" to a ".")
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>>administration cares about fuel economy. >>>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>>the administration runs. >>>>Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >>Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? > A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t > possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Certainly not based on anything I’ve seen to date.
ditto
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>administration cares about fuel economy. >>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>the administration runs. >>> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? >A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t >possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Ron
Well, do you have a rebuttal? Or just bluster?
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>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >administration cares about fuel economy. >I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >the administration runs. > Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >administration cares about fuel economy. >I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >the administration runs. >> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy?
A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? Ron to reply, change the "dot" to an obvious symbol
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>administration cares about fuel economy. >>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>the administration runs. >>>Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? > A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t > possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies?
Certainly not based on anything I’ve seen to date.
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Went to the site and clicked on every single link and each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush administration cares about fuel economy. I say this because on the title bar it says that it is part of the department of enerby and the EPA which the administration runs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ > Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability
When C&D (or was it Motor Trend?) did their fuel economy competitions, they would run the automatic transmission a quart low on fluid. It got them a little extra MPG, but probably wasn’t too good for the tranny.
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Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability Johbn
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@twister.tampabay.rr.com: > Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability
well, yeah.. if it’s not running, it’s conserving 100% of it’s fuel.. so they kinda go hand in hand.. right? — -Chris http://www.ChrisGarcia.com <- My Homepage http://starwars.chrisgarcia.com <- Centerpoint Station http://www.chrisgarcia.com/ginger/ <- Ginger http://www.chrisgarcia.com/leia/ <- Leia "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." – Qui-Gon Jinn, Star Wars: Episode 1
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I think you shouldn’t gauge the car’s gas consumption from the fuel gauge. My 2001 Civic SI-G (Canada) has 1700kms on it, and i’m getting about 31mpg on winter gas. Amos – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left. > It’s somewhat true. You will get reduced gas milage when the engine is > brand new. It took my ‘99 Grand Am GT about 10,000 before it loosed up, > and the mpg came up to 29 mpg on the highway, from the 26mpg I was > getting when the car was brand new. Our Chrysler minivan did the same > thing, gained about 3mpg after the engine was broken in. > Jeff
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> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left.
It’s somewhat true. You will get reduced gas milage when the engine is brand new. It took my ‘99 Grand Am GT about 10,000 before it loosed up, and the mpg came up to 29 mpg on the highway, from the 26mpg I was getting when the car was brand new. Our Chrysler minivan did the same thing, gained about 3mpg after the engine was broken in. Jeff
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>I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which >are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the >repair dealer.
Verify that you’re actually getting poor fuel economy. Every time you fill up, write down the mileage and the amount of gas you get. After four or five fillups, it should be pretty accurate. Check your tire pressure, too. Under inflated tires will lower fuel efficiency. There may be other things to check that I don’t know about.
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Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is actually left.
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What you do is fill up you’re tank and reset you’re trip meter…Drive that tank out until almost empty..Divide amount of miles on the odometer to the amount of gallons you pump. That will be you’re present mpg…you can do that like 3 or 4 tanks to get a more accurate mpg reading. Thanks Tony.
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> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left.
In my old car (87 Civic wagon), I used to get a lot more miles before the gauge reached the half-full mark than after. I concluded from this that the gauge was off — that I didn’t actually have half a tank left when the gauge reached the halfway mark. My new car (00 Accord) is better, but I still don’t assume that I’ve gone through exactly half a tank when the needle hits the halfway mark. It’s easy enough to verify your mileage. Wait till the gauge reads maybe a quarter full, then fill the tank completely and note the amount of gas that takes and the mileage since your last complete fill-up. Divide the miles by the gallons (or the kilometers by the liters) and there you have it. Keep in mind that your mileage really can vary significantly from tank to tank, depending on driving conditions, weather and a bunch of other variables. Over the course of several tankfuls you ought to have a pretty good idea of your "average" fuel economy. As for your gauge, I wouldn’t think you’d have to worry about running out of gas at a quarter tank. My old Mustang was notorious for being untrustworthy below the halfway mark, but you’re talking about a new Honda. FWIW, I’ve found that I have three or four gallons left in the tank at the point where the low-fuel light comes on. Another reason not to worry about running dry. Paul
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> Hello to All, > I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which > are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the > repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel > economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the > gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of > the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago > and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. > Thanks in advance! > Boo
I don’t know where you live, but if you experience cold winters, so can tour car. In the old days, there was a choke on your carb that would not kick off until the engine was close to or at operating temperature. With fuel injected motors, your injection is electronically metered to feed more gas into the moter until the engine gets warm. If it’s cold enough, it may never kick off, even on long drives. If there is a lot of sand on the roads during the winter months, check your air filter. The car may be starving for air. Next, check out your tachometer to see if it is idling high. If not, check for subtle fluxuations. If you notice a "skip," replace your cap and rotor and time the vehicle. Do the cheapest work first. If you have to bring it to a dealer, you’ll need the cash j.s
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"Paul" <paulmuelleratmindspringdawtcom> writes: > FWIW, I’ve found that I have three or four gallons left in the tank at > the point where the low-fuel light comes on. Another reason not to > worry about running dry.
In your car, perhaps. I don’t think my Civic has a low-fuel light at all; if it does, it doesn’t go on when there’s under a gallon left (and the gas tank holds under 12 gallons, so three or four gallons would be quite a bit). — David J. Greenberger
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As a matter of fact winters are pretty cold here in toronto. I had problems with my thermostat, it was stuck open, so engine took a long time before reaching its op temp, so my fuel economy was horrible. Now that I replaced thermostat, engine warms up nice and fast, before I start driving I always wait just so that RPM drops a bit. Is it possible that ECU did not reset itself after I replaced the thermostat (however I did disconnect the battery), and it still thinks there’s a problem with thermostat? I owned this car for over a month and I only noticed engine "skipped" once, while I was warming it up after a cold start, but I thought it was a vapour lock or maybe some ice. Anyways thanks for your reply!!! Boo
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello to All, > I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which > are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the > repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel > economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the > gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of > the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago > and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. > Thanks in advance! > Boo > I don’t know where you live, but if you experience cold winters, so can > tour car. In the old days, there was a choke on your carb that would not > kick off until the engine was close to or at operating temperature. With > fuel injected motors, your injection is electronically metered to feed > more gas into the moter until the engine gets warm. If it’s cold enough, > it may never kick off, even on long drives. > If there is a lot of sand on the roads during the winter months, check > your air filter. The car may be starving for air. > Next, check out your tachometer to see if it is idling high. If not, > check for subtle fluxuations. If you notice a "skip," replace your cap > and rotor and time the vehicle. > Do the cheapest work first. If you have to bring it to a dealer, you’ll > need the cash j.s
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Hello to All, I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. Thanks in advance! Boo
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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|I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same |car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get |20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than |other Accords the same year as mine? You may want to check what their mix of city vs. highway driving is. | Is there any techniques anyone can |give me to increase fuel econ? Good maintenance helps. For example, make sure the tire pressure is correct, and do things like oil changes regularly. Also, anticipating stop lights and such helps. For example, if the light ahead just turned red, or there is a long line of cars that is not expected to move before you have to stop for them, taking your foot off the accelerator and coasting until you have to stop uses less fuel (and brake pads) than driving at full speed until you have to slam on the brakes to stop. — Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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>I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower [gas] mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any technique anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive recklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition.
Ere I launch upon a long and boring answer to your question, let me say that, at this distance, it is virtually impossible either to diagnose poor gas mileage or to prescribe solutions. First, the data you give in connexion with your own vehicle are entirely consistent with an over-all gas mileage of 26 m.p.g. assuming you do a little more than four times a many miles on the highway as in the city. This might be the only difference between your performance and that of your friends: they might be doing more highway miles. That said, may I say that, in my not inconsiderable experience of these matters, the overwhelming difference between one motorist’s gas mileage and another’s has its origins in the difference between their "driving"? He that suffers poor fuel economy typically fails to read the road far enough ahead, to anticipate the actions of other road users: in short, to allow himself enough margin for the reasonably foreseeable untoward. As a result he makes excessive use of the brakes. The DRIVER, on the other hand, anticipates the need for changes in speed, so that he does not use fuel only to have to sink most of the energy generated therefrom in the asbestos. So, tell us now: how much are you using the brakes? What can we infer from this about your gas mileage? Best regards, Vernon (Substitute the usual punctuation for the uncial German words, if replying by eMail — and don’t to forget to eliminate the SPAM suffix.)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>>administration cares about fuel economy. >>>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>>the administration runs. >>>> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >>Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? >A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t >possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Ron >Well, do you have a rebuttal? Or just bluster?
No rebuttal possible yet. No case has been made to rebut. I was just asking for the basis for the sweeping accusation. If any is given, I may or may not submit a rebuttal depending on whether the explanation appears to factual or, as it appears, merely an attempt to paint all politicians with the same mean-spirited brush. So far, it looks like nothing more than the tired old logical fallacy, "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." And that’s the "bluster" here. Ron (to reply, change the "dot" to a ".")
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>>administration cares about fuel economy. >>>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>>the administration runs. >>>>Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >>Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? > A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t > possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Certainly not based on anything I’ve seen to date.
ditto
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>administration cares about fuel economy. >>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>the administration runs. >>> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? >A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t >possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? >Ron
Well, do you have a rebuttal? Or just bluster?
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>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >administration cares about fuel economy. >I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >the administration runs. > Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >administration cares about fuel economy. >I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >the administration runs. >> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy?
A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies? Ron to reply, change the "dot" to an obvious symbol
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Went to the site and clicked on every single link and >>each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush >>administration cares about fuel economy. >>I say this because on the title bar it says that it is >>part of the department of enerby and the EPA which >>the administration runs. >>>Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. >>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ >Hello? Why would two men tied to the oil industry care about fuel economy? > A too-easy accusation . . . based on what? These guys couldn’t > possibly have a patriotic or altruistic bone in their entire bodies?
Certainly not based on anything I’ve seen to date.
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Went to the site and clicked on every single link and each one of them turned up dead. Show how the Bush administration cares about fuel economy. I say this because on the title bar it says that it is part of the department of enerby and the EPA which the administration runs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ > Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability
When C&D (or was it Motor Trend?) did their fuel economy competitions, they would run the automatic transmission a quart low on fluid. It got them a little extra MPG, but probably wasn’t too good for the tranny.
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Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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> Just ran across this site… good source of info for comparisons. > http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability Johbn
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@twister.tampabay.rr.com: > Fuel Economy is #1 priority over reliability
well, yeah.. if it’s not running, it’s conserving 100% of it’s fuel.. so they kinda go hand in hand.. right? — -Chris http://www.ChrisGarcia.com <- My Homepage http://starwars.chrisgarcia.com <- Centerpoint Station http://www.chrisgarcia.com/ginger/ <- Ginger http://www.chrisgarcia.com/leia/ <- Leia "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." – Qui-Gon Jinn, Star Wars: Episode 1
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I think you shouldn’t gauge the car’s gas consumption from the fuel gauge. My 2001 Civic SI-G (Canada) has 1700kms on it, and i’m getting about 31mpg on winter gas. Amos – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left. > It’s somewhat true. You will get reduced gas milage when the engine is > brand new. It took my ‘99 Grand Am GT about 10,000 before it loosed up, > and the mpg came up to 29 mpg on the highway, from the 26mpg I was > getting when the car was brand new. Our Chrysler minivan did the same > thing, gained about 3mpg after the engine was broken in. > Jeff
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> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left.
It’s somewhat true. You will get reduced gas milage when the engine is brand new. It took my ‘99 Grand Am GT about 10,000 before it loosed up, and the mpg came up to 29 mpg on the highway, from the 26mpg I was getting when the car was brand new. Our Chrysler minivan did the same thing, gained about 3mpg after the engine was broken in. Jeff
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>I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which >are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the >repair dealer.
Verify that you’re actually getting poor fuel economy. Every time you fill up, write down the mileage and the amount of gas you get. After four or five fillups, it should be pretty accurate. Check your tire pressure, too. Under inflated tires will lower fuel efficiency. There may be other things to check that I don’t know about.
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Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is actually left.
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What you do is fill up you’re tank and reset you’re trip meter…Drive that tank out until almost empty..Divide amount of miles on the odometer to the amount of gallons you pump. That will be you’re present mpg…you can do that like 3 or 4 tanks to get a more accurate mpg reading. Thanks Tony.
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> Well I just wanted to mention that I am finding that I am not getting > very good efficiency with my new 2001 Civic DX-G and that I am finding > it is flying through the tank on the first half of the tank. > I called the dealer and they said that it was normal for the first few > thousand miles…but this is beginning to get rediculous. I don’t ever > let it get below a quarter of a tank b/c I don’t know how much is > actually left.
In my old car (87 Civic wagon), I used to get a lot more miles before the gauge reached the half-full mark than after. I concluded from this that the gauge was off — that I didn’t actually have half a tank left when the gauge reached the halfway mark. My new car (00 Accord) is better, but I still don’t assume that I’ve gone through exactly half a tank when the needle hits the halfway mark. It’s easy enough to verify your mileage. Wait till the gauge reads maybe a quarter full, then fill the tank completely and note the amount of gas that takes and the mileage since your last complete fill-up. Divide the miles by the gallons (or the kilometers by the liters) and there you have it. Keep in mind that your mileage really can vary significantly from tank to tank, depending on driving conditions, weather and a bunch of other variables. Over the course of several tankfuls you ought to have a pretty good idea of your "average" fuel economy. As for your gauge, I wouldn’t think you’d have to worry about running out of gas at a quarter tank. My old Mustang was notorious for being untrustworthy below the halfway mark, but you’re talking about a new Honda. FWIW, I’ve found that I have three or four gallons left in the tank at the point where the low-fuel light comes on. Another reason not to worry about running dry. Paul
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> Hello to All, > I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which > are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the > repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel > economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the > gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of > the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago > and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. > Thanks in advance! > Boo
I don’t know where you live, but if you experience cold winters, so can tour car. In the old days, there was a choke on your carb that would not kick off until the engine was close to or at operating temperature. With fuel injected motors, your injection is electronically metered to feed more gas into the moter until the engine gets warm. If it’s cold enough, it may never kick off, even on long drives. If there is a lot of sand on the roads during the winter months, check your air filter. The car may be starving for air. Next, check out your tachometer to see if it is idling high. If not, check for subtle fluxuations. If you notice a "skip," replace your cap and rotor and time the vehicle. Do the cheapest work first. If you have to bring it to a dealer, you’ll need the cash j.s
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"Paul" <paulmuelleratmindspringdawtcom> writes: > FWIW, I’ve found that I have three or four gallons left in the tank at > the point where the low-fuel light comes on. Another reason not to > worry about running dry.
In your car, perhaps. I don’t think my Civic has a low-fuel light at all; if it does, it doesn’t go on when there’s under a gallon left (and the gas tank holds under 12 gallons, so three or four gallons would be quite a bit). — David J. Greenberger
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As a matter of fact winters are pretty cold here in toronto. I had problems with my thermostat, it was stuck open, so engine took a long time before reaching its op temp, so my fuel economy was horrible. Now that I replaced thermostat, engine warms up nice and fast, before I start driving I always wait just so that RPM drops a bit. Is it possible that ECU did not reset itself after I replaced the thermostat (however I did disconnect the battery), and it still thinks there’s a problem with thermostat? I owned this car for over a month and I only noticed engine "skipped" once, while I was warming it up after a cold start, but I thought it was a vapour lock or maybe some ice. Anyways thanks for your reply!!! Boo
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello to All, > I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which > are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the > repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel > economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the > gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of > the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago > and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. > Thanks in advance! > Boo > I don’t know where you live, but if you experience cold winters, so can > tour car. In the old days, there was a choke on your carb that would not > kick off until the engine was close to or at operating temperature. With > fuel injected motors, your injection is electronically metered to feed > more gas into the moter until the engine gets warm. If it’s cold enough, > it may never kick off, even on long drives. > If there is a lot of sand on the roads during the winter months, check > your air filter. The car may be starving for air. > Next, check out your tachometer to see if it is idling high. If not, > check for subtle fluxuations. If you notice a "skip," replace your cap > and rotor and time the vehicle. > Do the cheapest work first. If you have to bring it to a dealer, you’ll > need the cash j.s
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Hello to All, I have a question. When suspecting poor fuel economy in a vehicle, which are the things that should be checked first before taking the car to the repair dealer. I am beginning to suspect that I am getting very poor fuel economy on my civic (from the observations of the fuel gage). Perhaps the gauge is not accurate, I don’t know. Last time I checked I burned 1/4 of the tank and only drove 100 kms. Emission test was done over a month ago and everything was fine. I would really appreciate some help on this. Thanks in advance! Boo
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Hello everyone, I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get 20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any techniques anyone can give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I don’t drive wrecklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent condition. Johnny
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|I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same |car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get |20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower mileage than |other Accords the same year as mine? You may want to check what their mix of city vs. highway driving is. | Is there any techniques anyone can |give me to increase fuel econ? Good maintenance helps. For example, make sure the tire pressure is correct, and do things like oil changes regularly. Also, anticipating stop lights and such helps. For example, if the light ahead just turned red, or there is a long line of cars that is not expected to move before you have to stop for them, taking your foot off the accelerator and coasting until you have to stop uses less fuel (and brake pads) than driving at full speed until you have to slam on the brakes to stop. — Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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>I have an ‘89 Honda Accord LXi 5 speed. I know other people with the same >car as me and they average about 26 mpg mixed city and highway. I only get >20 in the city, and 28 in the highway. How come I have a lower [gas] mileage than >other Accords the same year as mine? Is there any technique anyone can >give me to increase fuel econ? Anything I should do to the car? BTW, I >don’t drive recklessly, and I always baby the car. It’s in excellent >condition.
Ere I launch upon a long and boring answer to your question, let me say that, at this distance, it is virtually impossible either to diagnose poor gas mileage or to prescribe solutions. First, the data you give in connexion with your own vehicle are entirely consistent with an over-all gas mileage of 26 m.p.g. assuming you do a little more than four times a many miles on the highway as in the city. This might be the only difference between your performance and that of your friends: they might be doing more highway miles. That said, may I say that, in my not inconsiderable experience of these matters, the overwhelming difference between one motorist’s gas mileage and another’s has its origins in the difference between their "driving"? He that suffers poor fuel economy typically fails to read the road far enough ahead, to anticipate the actions of other road users: in short, to allow himself enough margin for the reasonably foreseeable untoward. As a result he makes excessive use of the brakes. The DRIVER, on the other hand, anticipates the need for changes in speed, so that he does not use fuel only to have to sink most of the energy generated therefrom in the asbestos. So, tell us now: how much are you using the brakes? What can we infer from this about your gas mileage? Best regards, Vernon (Substitute the usual punctuation for the uncial German words, if replying by eMail — and don’t to forget to eliminate the SPAM suffix.)
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