Ultralight Raingear

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The Precip Jackets hold-up really well. They’re very light and inexpensive. THey also have pit-zips which the Oracle does not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. > I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping > in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to > the following: > REI Ultralight > Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants > Mountain Hardware Epic > I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU > laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is > ridiculous… > http://www.sportsmansguide.com has Kelty Helium on sale for $60.00 might be > worth a looksee.

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Frogg Toggs! http://www.froggtoggs.com/catalog%20page.html Used them last summer in Wyoming/Montana held up very well. Light, cheap, durable.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. > I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping > in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to > the following: > REI Ultralight > Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants > Mountain Hardware Epic > I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU > laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is > ridiculous… > I ruled out GoLite due to issues I read about the products durability in a > "field" environment. > Marmot Oracle is a Backpacker 2003 Editor’s Choice. I tried one on, and it > is light, but I am not too hip on the pockets, but I could live with it… > The REI Ultralight is very nicely designed, though the colors available > leave something to be desired, and I have not read anything about REI’s new > ultralight laminate effectiveness. Anyone have one of these? > I am leaning towards the REI top with the Marmot pants, though I have never > gone wrong with Mountain Hardware (I have not read anything about Mountain > Hardware’s ultralight laminate effectiveness, either.) > Would appreciate any inputs. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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After additional research, I have found several oustanding reviews of the Red Ledge Thunderlight. It is not "high tech" nor very breatheable, but apparently is very well vented. The cost/benefit ratio for this stuff is outstanding! The jacket appears to go for around $60 on Campmor, far cheaper that the newer ultralights ($100 – $150 range). Appears to be far more durable than Frogg Toggs or Rainshield, though a bit heavier. Any comments on Red Ledge gear? Quality / Durability? TIA

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Dondo, One thing I forgot to mention is that the rainshield is not something you want to wear on a real brushy trail. It would shred like a paper mill. I bought this stuff for hiking in the Sierras and the Grand Canyon where walking down brushy, thorny paths is not a problem. If you get the tyvek be sure to seam seal the stitching. The tyvek is highly breathable and waterproof and is durable. I would have bought the top but the design was not suitable for my needs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For rain pants I have been using tyvek safety gear > used by hazmat people. > Damn! That’s a ***good*** idea. Now that you mention it, there are also > painter outfits that are similar; some have a fuzzy inside that improves > the feel against skin. > No reason to stuff jacket + pants into the sack for emergency wear. > I’ve been going round and round with that – a week in the Smokies coming > up in April – and this is the solution. > -Dondo

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After some additional research, it appears the Red Ledge Thunderlight has received oustanding reviews across the board. The material is not particularly breatheable or "high tech", but it is half the cost of the newer "high tech" ultralights, with plenty of good features (pit zips and mesh vented pockets. Any comments on Red Ledge products? Quality / durability?

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<< I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping in the backcountry to a light sailing top. >> Have you checked into FroggToggs? Waterproof/windproof and super light and not terribly expensive.

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> The Tyvek is not always waterproof, and I can assure you they can get > quite warm inside. They are a bit lacking in durability, keep in mind they > are sold as disposable.

Well, I’m thinking of something to stuff in the sack when the weather is nice. I usually carry rain gear no matter what the weather – and it almost never gets used. This seems like a good compromise. I’ve worn Tyvek stuff before – it’s warm, not breathable, but it’s light, and will serve as "let’s get our asses someplace dry before we get soaked" clothing. :-) -Dondo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Tyvek is not always waterproof, and I can assure you they can get > quite warm inside. They are a bit lacking in durability, keep in mind they > are sold as disposable. >Well, I’m thinking of something to stuff in the sack when the weather is >nice. I usually carry rain gear no matter what the weather – and it >almost never gets used. This seems like a good compromise. >I’ve worn Tyvek stuff before – it’s warm, not breathable, but it’s light, >and will serve as "let’s get our asses someplace dry before we get soaked" >clothing. :-)

Depends on the temperature and the intensity of your local rain and wind. In New Hampshire we can get sun, clouds, rain, wind, snow, and sunburn… all on the same dayhike. It affects one’s choice of gear. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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> In New Hampshire we can get sun, clouds, rain, wind, snow, and > sunburn… all on the same dayhike. It affects one’s choice of gear.

That’s why I moved south. We get sun, clouds, rain, wind, mosquitoes, and sunburn. :-) -Dondo

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>> In New Hampshire we can get sun, clouds, rain, wind, snow, and > sunburn… all on the same dayhike. It affects one’s choice of gear. >That’s why I moved south. We get sun, clouds, rain, wind, mosquitoes, and >sunburn. :-)

You can’t ski on mosquitos, dude. At least snow has the plus of being useful at times. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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We used to use the tyvek suits for snow-camo during winter paintball competitions… I have found a few reviews on "RainShield". Looks really good. I think I am going to have to try that out. The price for a full suit is getting up there, now. I have seen $70 for the full suit…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Look for a product called "RainShield." It is waterproof and > breathable. I bought the parka for $25 on line direct from the mfg. > You can probably find it for a few dollars less. But the important > point is that it weighs only 5 oz. For rain pants I have been using > tyvek safety gear used by hazmat people. You can buy those for > approximately $30.00 a dozen from grainger.com. These rain pants weigh > less than 1 oz. Total weight for complete head to foot protection 6 to > 6.5 oz. Not bad huh? > Does it work? Yes, in December I hiked out of the Grand Canyon in > heavy rain from Indian Gardens which turned into snow near the top. I > wore the parka over wool underwear top and the tyvek right over my > supplex hiking pants. As you might gather hiking out of the Canyon is > a sweaty deal, but on this day it was cold, windy and very moist. > These light weight garments are very efficacious in keeping the rain > out and breathing away vapor from the inside. Retailer don’t push them > because they make more profit on the heavy expensive stuff. But I > recommend these garments and suggest to you that you check them out. > John Kays

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> I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. > I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping > in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to > the following: > REI Ultralight > Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants > Mountain Hardware Epic > I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU > laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is > ridiculous…

http://www.sportsmansguide.com has Kelty Helium on sale for $60.00 might be worth a looksee.

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> For rain pants I have been using tyvek safety gear > used by hazmat people.

Damn! That’s a ***good*** idea. Now that you mention it, there are also painter outfits that are similar; some have a fuzzy inside that improves the feel against skin. No reason to stuff jacket + pants into the sack for emergency wear. I’ve been going round and round with that – a week in the Smokies coming up in April – and this is the solution. -Dondo

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>> For rain pants I have been using tyvek safety gear > used by hazmat people. >Damn! That’s a ***good*** idea. Now that you mention it, there are also >painter outfits that are similar; some have a fuzzy inside that improves >the feel against skin. >No reason to stuff jacket + pants into the sack for emergency wear. >I’ve been going round and round with that – a week in the Smokies coming >up in April – and this is the solution.

The Tyvek is not always waterproof, and I can assure you they can get quite warm inside. They are a bit lacking in durability, keep in mind they are sold as disposable. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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Look for a product called "RainShield." It is waterproof and breathable. I bought the parka for $25 on line direct from the mfg. You can probably find it for a few dollars less. But the important point is that it weighs only 5 oz. For rain pants I have been using tyvek safety gear used by hazmat people. You can buy those for approximately $30.00 a dozen from grainger.com. These rain pants weigh less than 1 oz. Total weight for complete head to foot protection 6 to 6.5 oz. Not bad huh? Does it work? Yes, in December I hiked out of the Grand Canyon in heavy rain from Indian Gardens which turned into snow near the top. I wore the parka over wool underwear top and the tyvek right over my supplex hiking pants. As you might gather hiking out of the Canyon is a sweaty deal, but on this day it was cold, windy and very moist. These light weight garments are very efficacious in keeping the rain out and breathing away vapor from the inside. Retailer don’t push them because they make more profit on the heavy expensive stuff. But I recommend these garments and suggest to you that you check them out. John Kays – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. > I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping > in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to > the following: > REI Ultralight > Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants > Mountain Hardware Epic > I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU > laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is > ridiculous… > I ruled out GoLite due to issues I read about the products durability in a > "field" environment. > Marmot Oracle is a Backpacker 2003 Editor’s Choice. I tried one on, and it > is light, but I am not too hip on the pockets, but I could live with it… > The REI Ultralight is very nicely designed, though the colors available > leave something to be desired, and I have not read anything about REI’s new > ultralight laminate effectiveness. Anyone have one of these? > I am leaning towards the REI top with the Marmot pants, though I have never > gone wrong with Mountain Hardware (I have not read anything about Mountain > Hardware’s ultralight laminate effectiveness, either.) > Would appreciate any inputs. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’ve used Marmot Precip for several years. It works. Is light. Is expensive. Don’t plan on it being any more than water protection. It is not a parka.

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I got a Helly Hansen HellyTech jacket for $60 that has a mesh liner to keep you cool. It is a little heavy, but you can’t have it all. Highly recommended. Seems to be cut big too. I don’t know the model exactly, but sounds similiar to http://www.backpacker.com/article/0,2646,327,00.html I have Sierra Design pants (also the jacket, which got replaced by the HellyTech), which I never wear. Often, nylon zip-off pants are good enough in Colorado. But I do believe that there are HellyTech pants. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. > I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping > in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to > the following: > REI Ultralight > Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants > Mountain Hardware Epic > I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU > laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is > ridiculous… > I ruled out GoLite due to issues I read about the products durability in a > "field" environment. > Marmot Oracle is a Backpacker 2003 Editor’s Choice. I tried one on, and it > is light, but I am not too hip on the pockets, but I could live with it… > The REI Ultralight is very nicely designed, though the colors available > leave something to be desired, and I have not read anything about REI’s new > ultralight laminate effectiveness. Anyone have one of these? > I am leaning towards the REI top with the Marmot pants, though I have never > gone wrong with Mountain Hardware (I have not read anything about Mountain > Hardware’s ultralight laminate effectiveness, either.) > Would appreciate any inputs. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I have been looking for an ultralight waterproof/breathable jacket & pants. I want something multi-purpose/sport from mountain biking to hiking/camping in the backcountry to a light sailing top. I have narrowed my search down to the following: REI Ultralight Marmot Oracle and Precip Pants Mountain Hardware Epic I ruled out Gore-Tex Paclite due to cost and it is much heavier than the PU laminates, although "breathes" much better. Mostly the cost issue is ridiculous… I ruled out GoLite due to issues I read about the products durability in a "field" environment. Marmot Oracle is a Backpacker 2003 Editor’s Choice. I tried one on, and it is light, but I am not too hip on the pockets, but I could live with it… The REI Ultralight is very nicely designed, though the colors available leave something to be desired, and I have not read anything about REI’s new ultralight laminate effectiveness. Anyone have one of these? I am leaning towards the REI top with the Marmot pants, though I have never gone wrong with Mountain Hardware (I have not read anything about Mountain Hardware’s ultralight laminate effectiveness, either.) Would appreciate any inputs. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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